Episodes

Saturday Jun 07, 2025
Saturday Jun 07, 2025
Welcome to Episode 57 of the JOJ Podcast, featuring Jackson Hall, author of A Path to Self-Discovery: Reflections on Navigating Existential Crisis, Finding Clarity, Balance & Renewal. Recorded live, we dive into Jackson’s transformative journey from high school partying to global travels, psychedelics, and rewilding. From toad venom and ayahuasca to yoga teacher training and MDMA therapy, Jackson shares raw insights on overcoming depersonalization, finding authenticity, and thriving. Join hosts Jack and Ben for a deep, relatable conversation on personal growth, mental health, and reconnecting with nature.
Timestamps:
-
00:00:00 Intro & Jackson’s Book
Jack introduces Jackson Hall, his book A Path to Self-Discovery, and his Live Thriving podcast. -
00:00:45 Reconnecting & Evolution
Reflecting on past JOJ episodes and how Jackson’s journey has evolved since writing his book. -
00:01:35 Gifts & Jackson’s Travels
Gifting beef tallow and honey; discussing Jackson’s global adventures (Guatemala, Costa Rica, Peru, New Zealand). -
00:02:23 High School Years
Growing up with Jack and Ben, high school pressures, partying, and competitive fishing. -
00:05:14 Fishing & Early Psychedelics
Jackson’s fishing success, weed’s influence on creativity, and reconnecting with nature. -
00:08:27 College Path & Wildlife Dreams
Choosing business over wildlife biology at Arkansas, influenced by family and practicality. -
00:11:02 High School Social Pressures
Navigating popularity, social media, and an “unconscious” state of seeking validation. -
00:15:54 College & Fraternity Life
Joining a fraternity, networking benefits, hazing, and the chaotic party lifestyle. -
00:21:57 Fraternity House Chaos
Living in a party room, sticky floors, and the lack of privacy in Greek life. -
00:24:34 Questioning the Party Life
Junior year shift: seeking authenticity after social validation and a hunting account’s success. -
00:26:19 Breakup & Anxiety
A pivotal breakup, grappling with infidelity, and the anxiety of living inauthentically. -
00:30:03 Catalyst for Transformation
Honesty as the first step toward self-discovery, despite the pain of the breakup. -
00:32:33 Functional Beverages
Jackson shares a non-alcoholic drink with herbs for clarity, discussing nutritional psychology. -
00:36:00 Dark Night of the Soul
Depersonalization, family divorce, loss, and COVID’s role in sparking an existential crisis. -
00:39:10 Depersonalization Explained
Feeling disconnected from the body, possibly from psychedelics, trauma, or nervous system dysregulation. -
00:41:38 Healing Practices
Yoga, meditation, cold therapy, and breathwork to combat depersonalization and ground the body. -
01:20:10 DMT Experience
Toad venom’s intense impact, accessing deep meditative states, and post-experience integration challenges. -
01:23:53 San Pedro Cactus
Grounding 12-hour journeys with San Pedro, healing masculine wounds, and merging with nature. -
01:26:04 Yoga Teacher Training
200-hour training in Costa Rica, healing the feminine, and integrating DMT experiences. -
01:32:04 MDMA Therapy
Life-changing MDMA therapy in California, calming the amygdala, and healing masculine wounds. -
01:36:34 Calm in the Storm
Practices like yoga and MDMA to stay grounded amid global chaos and co-regulate with others. -
01:39:26 Relationships & Thriving
Quality relationships as key to thriving, building resilience through daily practices like cold plunges. -
01:41:31 Recalibration Techniques
Simple, accessible ways to reset (hydration, sleep) without falling for wellness marketing traps. -
01:43:00 Bodybuilding & Ego
Ben’s bodybuilding experience, the fleeting high of achievement, and the need for balance. -
01:46:22 Global Awakening
A critical mass awakening, questioning convenience culture, and returning to ancestral roots. -
01:49:02 Rewilding & Community
Reconnecting with nature through gardening, fishing, and community initiatives for human connection. -
01:52:05 Ocean Cleanup Inspiration
Boyan Slat’s Ocean Cleanup and Coldplay’s recycled plastic record as signs of progress. -
01:55:06 Indigenous Wisdom
Learning reciprocity from Peruvian communities, living simply with nutrient-rich land. -
01:56:37 Tobacco as Medicine
Ceremonial tobacco’s grounding power, misunderstood in modern contexts, aids integration. -
01:58:34 Ancient Future
Merging ancestral practices with modern life for sustainable, thriving living. -
01:59:26 Mayan Ruins & Mysteries
Visiting Guatemala’s ruins, questioning ancient civilizations, and their mysterious portals. -
02:00:35 Closing & Thanks
Jackson’s gratitude, book plug, and excitement for future collaborations.
Connect with Us:
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Grab A Path to Self-Discovery by Jackson Hall on Amazon! https://www.amazon.com/Path-Self-Discovery-Reflections-Navigating-Existential/dp/B0D5WVWRP6/ref=sr_1_1?sr=8-1
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Subscribe to JOJ on YouTube and help us hit 100 subscribers! https://www.youtube.com/@theincrediblejoj
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Follow Jackson’s Live Thriving podcast and check out his Thrive Collective via his website: https://www.livethrivingly.com/
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Share your thoughts or topic ideas in the comments. See you next episode!

Saturday Jun 07, 2025
Saturday Jun 07, 2025
Welcome to Episode 57 of the JOJ Podcast, featuring Jackson Hall, author of A Path to Self-Discovery: Reflections on Navigating Existential Crisis, Finding Clarity, Balance & Renewal. Recorded live, we dive into Jackson’s transformative journey from high school partying to global travels, psychedelics, and rewilding. From toad venom and ayahuasca to yoga teacher training and MDMA therapy, Jackson shares raw insights on overcoming depersonalization, finding authenticity, and thriving. Join hosts Jack and Ben for a deep, relatable conversation on personal growth, mental health, and reconnecting with nature.
Timestamps:
-
00:00:00 Intro & Jackson’s Book
Jack introduces Jackson Hall, his book A Path to Self-Discovery, and his Live Thriving podcast. -
00:00:45 Reconnecting & Evolution
Reflecting on past JOJ episodes and how Jackson’s journey has evolved since writing his book. -
00:01:35 Gifts & Jackson’s Travels
Gifting beef tallow and honey; discussing Jackson’s global adventures (Guatemala, Costa Rica, Peru, New Zealand). -
00:02:23 High School Years
Growing up with Jack and Ben, high school pressures, partying, and competitive fishing. -
00:05:14 Fishing & Early Psychedelics
Jackson’s fishing success, weed’s influence on creativity, and reconnecting with nature. -
00:08:27 College Path & Wildlife Dreams
Choosing business over wildlife biology at Arkansas, influenced by family and practicality. -
00:11:02 High School Social Pressures
Navigating popularity, social media, and an “unconscious” state of seeking validation. -
00:15:54 College & Fraternity Life
Joining a fraternity, networking benefits, hazing, and the chaotic party lifestyle. -
00:21:57 Fraternity House Chaos
Living in a party room, sticky floors, and the lack of privacy in Greek life. -
00:24:34 Questioning the Party Life
Junior year shift: seeking authenticity after social validation and a hunting account’s success. -
00:26:19 Breakup & Anxiety
A pivotal breakup, grappling with infidelity, and the anxiety of living inauthentically. -
00:30:03 Catalyst for Transformation
Honesty as the first step toward self-discovery, despite the pain of the breakup. -
00:32:33 Functional Beverages
Jackson shares a non-alcoholic drink with herbs for clarity, discussing nutritional psychology. -
00:36:00 Dark Night of the Soul
Depersonalization, family divorce, loss, and COVID’s role in sparking an existential crisis. -
00:39:10 Depersonalization Explained
Feeling disconnected from the body, possibly from psychedelics, trauma, or nervous system dysregulation. -
00:41:38 Healing Practices
Yoga, meditation, cold therapy, and breathwork to combat depersonalization and ground the body. -
01:20:10 DMT Experience
Toad venom’s intense impact, accessing deep meditative states, and post-experience integration challenges. -
01:23:53 San Pedro Cactus
Grounding 12-hour journeys with San Pedro, healing masculine wounds, and merging with nature. -
01:26:04 Yoga Teacher Training
200-hour training in Costa Rica, healing the feminine, and integrating DMT experiences. -
01:32:04 MDMA Therapy
Life-changing MDMA therapy in California, calming the amygdala, and healing masculine wounds. -
01:36:34 Calm in the Storm
Practices like yoga and MDMA to stay grounded amid global chaos and co-regulate with others. -
01:39:26 Relationships & Thriving
Quality relationships as key to thriving, building resilience through daily practices like cold plunges. -
01:41:31 Recalibration Techniques
Simple, accessible ways to reset (hydration, sleep) without falling for wellness marketing traps. -
01:43:00 Bodybuilding & Ego
Ben’s bodybuilding experience, the fleeting high of achievement, and the need for balance. -
01:46:22 Global Awakening
A critical mass awakening, questioning convenience culture, and returning to ancestral roots. -
01:49:02 Rewilding & Community
Reconnecting with nature through gardening, fishing, and community initiatives for human connection. -
01:52:05 Ocean Cleanup Inspiration
Boyan Slat’s Ocean Cleanup and Coldplay’s recycled plastic record as signs of progress. -
01:55:06 Indigenous Wisdom
Learning reciprocity from Peruvian communities, living simply with nutrient-rich land. -
01:56:37 Tobacco as Medicine
Ceremonial tobacco’s grounding power, misunderstood in modern contexts, aids integration. -
01:58:34 Ancient Future
Merging ancestral practices with modern life for sustainable, thriving living. -
01:59:26 Mayan Ruins & Mysteries
Visiting Guatemala’s ruins, questioning ancient civilizations, and their mysterious portals. -
02:00:35 Closing & Thanks
Jackson’s gratitude, book plug, and excitement for future collaborations.
Connect with Us:
-
Grab A Path to Self-Discovery by Jackson Hall on Amazon! https://www.amazon.com/Path-Self-Discovery-Reflections-Navigating-Existential/dp/B0D5WVWRP6/ref=sr_1_1?sr=8-1
-
Subscribe to JOJ on YouTube and help us hit 100 subscribers! https://www.youtube.com/@theincrediblejoj
-
Follow Jackson’s Live Thriving podcast and check out his Thrive Collective via his website: https://www.livethrivingly.com/
-
Share your thoughts or topic ideas in the comments. See you next episode!

Saturday May 31, 2025
Saturday May 31, 2025
Podcast Show Notes: JOJ Ep. 56
Welcome to Episode 56 of the JOJ Podcast, recorded live from the studio backyard on a Saturday morning! In this episode, we dive into a variety of topics, from golf cart girls and the dynamics of the golf course to James O'Keefe’s investigative journalism, the Caitlin Clark WNBA controversy, and broader discussions on innovation, education, and societal issues. Join us for a lively conversation filled with insights, debates, and a touch of humor.
Timestamps:
-
00:00:00 - 00:00:27
Intro & Welcome
The hosts kick off the episode with excitement, discussing the agenda and teasing a segment on "female topics" to appeal to their small but mighty female audience. -
00:00:27 - 00:01:14
Podcast Demographics & Golf Talk
A light-hearted discussion about the podcast’s audience demographics and a recap of playing 27 holes of golf, including thoughts on UV index, course conditions, and getting "golden brown." -
00:01:14 - 00:02:56
The Cart Girl Dynamic
Exploring the role of cart girls in golf, their earning potential, and the social dynamics of their job compared to male-dominated roles like golf cart attendants. -
00:02:56 - 00:04:12
Golf Course Tiers & Cart Girl Comparisons
Ranking the golf course they played as "mid-tier" and comparing the cart girl role to bartenders, touching on the social and financial aspects of the job. -
00:04:12 - 00:06:49
Life as a Cart Girl
Diving deeper into the cart girl experience, discussing their earnings, perks, and social adeptness, plus the challenges of dealing with inappropriate behavior on the course. -
00:06:49 - 00:08:50
Cart Girls vs. Cart Guys & Social Media
Exploring why cart girls dominate the role, the impact of social media (e.g., Instagram videos of cart girl interactions), and whether partners care about the cart girl dynamic. -
00:08:50 - 00:11:28
Gender Roles in Part-Time Jobs
Comparing part-time job opportunities for men and women, discussing manual labor vs. service roles, and touching on societal expectations and OnlyFans as an extreme example. -
00:11:28 - 00:15:03
James O'Keefe & Project Veritas
A deep dive into James O'Keefe’s ousting from Project Veritas, focusing on the Pfizer undercover investigation with Jordan Walker, the ethics of undercover journalism, and its impact. -
00:15:03 - 00:20:46
Project Veritas Fallout & Conflicts of Interest
Discussing the coup against O'Keefe, allegations of workplace harassment, financial malfeasance, and potential Pfizer connections to board members, highlighting O'Keefe’s bravery. -
00:20:46 - 00:24:09
Whistleblowers & Censorship
The importance of whistleblowers like O'Keefe, the chilling effect of censorship during COVID, and the role of platforms like X in fostering free speech. -
00:24:09 - 00:28:32
China vs. America: Innovation & Control
Contrasting China’s lack of innovation due to government control with America’s freedom-driven innovation, discussing intellectual property theft, tariffs, and consumerism. -
00:28:32 - 00:32:34
Energy Innovation & Lobbying
Exploring the potential for free energy (e.g., helium-3 from the moon, solar energy from space) and how lobbying by fossil fuel industries stifles innovation. -
00:32:34 - 00:37:37
Capitalism, Regulations, & Entrepreneurship
Discussing how excessive regulations and red tape hinder entrepreneurship, the need for tax reform, and Trump’s policies to incentivize innovation. -
00:37:37 - 00:43:43
Education Reform & Practical Learning
Critiquing traditional college education for lacking practical entrepreneurship training, advocating for real-world experience, and sharing personal stories of valuable classes. -
00:43:43 - 00:50:42
Jordan Peterson’s Christian Debate Controversy
Analyzing Jordan Peterson’s appearance in a “1 Christian vs. 25 Atheists” debate, his refusal to explicitly claim Christianity, and the “gotcha” mentality in modern debates. -
00:50:42 - 00:53:01
Debate Culture & Open Dialogue
Reflecting on the lack of open dialogue in modern culture, the pitfalls of gotcha media, and the importance of understanding perspectives over winning arguments. -
00:53:01 - 00:57:54
Caitlin Clark & WNBA Race Controversy
Discussing the Caitlin Clark vs. Angel Reese incident, the WNBA’s handling of racism allegations, and the broader issue of race-baiting in sports media. -
00:57:54 - 00:59:56
Medical Emergencies at the Gym & Self-Care
Sharing a story about an elderly man’s seizure at the gym, emphasizing the importance of first responders, self-care, and listening to your body during exercise. -
00:59:56 - 01:01:21
Sports Updates: NBA & College Baseball
Previewing Game 6 of the Pacers vs. Knicks series and discussing Arkansas’s chances in the Men’s College World Series. -
01:01:21 - 01:06:10
NFL Win Total Predictions
Making over/under predictions for the Cowboys (7.5 wins), Bears (8.5 wins), and Commanders (10.5 wins), with thoughts on key players like Dak Prescott and Jayden Daniels. -
01:06:10 - 01:07:40
Victimhood Mentality
Exploring why victimhood mentality is frowned upon, drawing parallels to hunter-gatherer societies where failing to contribute led to exile. -
01:07:40 - 01:08:00
Closing Thoughts & Call to Action
Wrapping up the episode, thanking listeners, and encouraging subscriptions and feedback for future topics.
Connect with Us:
-
Subscribe to JOJ on YouTube to help us reach 100 subscribers!
-
Share your thoughts or topic suggestions in the comments or via direct message.
-
Join us next Saturday for another lively episode!
Keywords: Golf cart girls, James O'Keefe, Project Veritas, Caitlin Clark, WNBA racism, innovation, China vs. America, energy lobbying, entrepreneurship, education reform, Jordan Peterson, debate culture, NFL predictions, victimhood mentality, free speech, podcast.

Saturday May 31, 2025
Saturday May 31, 2025
Podcast Show Notes: JOJ Ep. 56
Welcome to Episode 56 of the JOJ Podcast, recorded live from the studio backyard on a Saturday morning! In this episode, we dive into a variety of topics, from golf cart girls and the dynamics of the golf course to James O'Keefe’s investigative journalism, the Caitlin Clark WNBA controversy, and broader discussions on innovation, education, and societal issues. Join us for a lively conversation filled with insights, debates, and a touch of humor.
Timestamps:
-
00:00:00 - 00:00:27
Intro & Welcome
The hosts kick off the episode with excitement, discussing the agenda and teasing a segment on "female topics" to appeal to their small but mighty female audience. -
00:00:27 - 00:01:14
Podcast Demographics & Golf Talk
A light-hearted discussion about the podcast’s audience demographics and a recap of playing 27 holes of golf, including thoughts on UV index, course conditions, and getting "golden brown." -
00:01:14 - 00:02:56
The Cart Girl Dynamic
Exploring the role of cart girls in golf, their earning potential, and the social dynamics of their job compared to male-dominated roles like golf cart attendants. -
00:02:56 - 00:04:12
Golf Course Tiers & Cart Girl Comparisons
Ranking the golf course they played as "mid-tier" and comparing the cart girl role to bartenders, touching on the social and financial aspects of the job. -
00:04:12 - 00:06:49
Life as a Cart Girl
Diving deeper into the cart girl experience, discussing their earnings, perks, and social adeptness, plus the challenges of dealing with inappropriate behavior on the course. -
00:06:49 - 00:08:50
Cart Girls vs. Cart Guys & Social Media
Exploring why cart girls dominate the role, the impact of social media (e.g., Instagram videos of cart girl interactions), and whether partners care about the cart girl dynamic. -
00:08:50 - 00:11:28
Gender Roles in Part-Time Jobs
Comparing part-time job opportunities for men and women, discussing manual labor vs. service roles, and touching on societal expectations and OnlyFans as an extreme example. -
00:11:28 - 00:15:03
James O'Keefe & Project Veritas
A deep dive into James O'Keefe’s ousting from Project Veritas, focusing on the Pfizer undercover investigation with Jordan Walker, the ethics of undercover journalism, and its impact. -
00:15:03 - 00:20:46
Project Veritas Fallout & Conflicts of Interest
Discussing the coup against O'Keefe, allegations of workplace harassment, financial malfeasance, and potential Pfizer connections to board members, highlighting O'Keefe’s bravery. -
00:20:46 - 00:24:09
Whistleblowers & Censorship
The importance of whistleblowers like O'Keefe, the chilling effect of censorship during COVID, and the role of platforms like X in fostering free speech. -
00:24:09 - 00:28:32
China vs. America: Innovation & Control
Contrasting China’s lack of innovation due to government control with America’s freedom-driven innovation, discussing intellectual property theft, tariffs, and consumerism. -
00:28:32 - 00:32:34
Energy Innovation & Lobbying
Exploring the potential for free energy (e.g., helium-3 from the moon, solar energy from space) and how lobbying by fossil fuel industries stifles innovation. -
00:32:34 - 00:37:37
Capitalism, Regulations, & Entrepreneurship
Discussing how excessive regulations and red tape hinder entrepreneurship, the need for tax reform, and Trump’s policies to incentivize innovation. -
00:37:37 - 00:43:43
Education Reform & Practical Learning
Critiquing traditional college education for lacking practical entrepreneurship training, advocating for real-world experience, and sharing personal stories of valuable classes. -
00:43:43 - 00:50:42
Jordan Peterson’s Christian Debate Controversy
Analyzing Jordan Peterson’s appearance in a “1 Christian vs. 25 Atheists” debate, his refusal to explicitly claim Christianity, and the “gotcha” mentality in modern debates. -
00:50:42 - 00:53:01
Debate Culture & Open Dialogue
Reflecting on the lack of open dialogue in modern culture, the pitfalls of gotcha media, and the importance of understanding perspectives over winning arguments. -
00:53:01 - 00:57:54
Caitlin Clark & WNBA Race Controversy
Discussing the Caitlin Clark vs. Angel Reese incident, the WNBA’s handling of racism allegations, and the broader issue of race-baiting in sports media. -
00:57:54 - 00:59:56
Medical Emergencies at the Gym & Self-Care
Sharing a story about an elderly man’s seizure at the gym, emphasizing the importance of first responders, self-care, and listening to your body during exercise. -
00:59:56 - 01:01:21
Sports Updates: NBA & College Baseball
Previewing Game 6 of the Pacers vs. Knicks series and discussing Arkansas’s chances in the Men’s College World Series. -
01:01:21 - 01:06:10
NFL Win Total Predictions
Making over/under predictions for the Cowboys (7.5 wins), Bears (8.5 wins), and Commanders (10.5 wins), with thoughts on key players like Dak Prescott and Jayden Daniels. -
01:06:10 - 01:07:40
Victimhood Mentality
Exploring why victimhood mentality is frowned upon, drawing parallels to hunter-gatherer societies where failing to contribute led to exile. -
01:07:40 - 01:08:00
Closing Thoughts & Call to Action
Wrapping up the episode, thanking listeners, and encouraging subscriptions and feedback for future topics.
Connect with Us:
-
Subscribe to JOJ on YouTube to help us reach 100 subscribers!
-
Share your thoughts or topic suggestions in the comments or via direct message.
-
Join us next Saturday for another lively episode!
Keywords: Golf cart girls, James O'Keefe, Project Veritas, Caitlin Clark, WNBA racism, innovation, China vs. America, energy lobbying, entrepreneurship, education reform, Jordan Peterson, debate culture, NFL predictions, victimhood mentality, free speech, podcast.

Sunday May 25, 2025
Sunday May 25, 2025
Episode Summary:
Jack and Ben kick off JOJ Ep. 55 with a sweaty Saturday morning chat, diving into health, conspiracies, and culture. They explore a study linking pesticide runoff from golf courses to Parkinson’s disease, sparking a discussion on environmental health risks. The conversation shifts to the Netflix 9/11 documentary, unpacking the 1998 World Trade Center bombing, Osama bin Laden’s role, and conspiracy theories about U.S. motives and surveillance. They touch on Tom Cruise’s Scientology ties, the ethics of AI bots manipulating Reddit debates, and the power of media buzzwords to shape public perception. From creatine’s brain-boosting benefits to the dark side of food stamps and processed foods, this episode is a raw blend of personal growth, societal critique, and wild tangents. Join the JOJ crew for unfiltered insights and hit us up on X with #JOJEp55!
Jack and Ben kick off JOJ Ep. 55 with a sweaty Saturday morning chat, diving into health, conspiracies, and culture. They explore a study linking pesticide runoff from golf courses to Parkinson’s disease, sparking a discussion on environmental health risks. The conversation shifts to the Netflix 9/11 documentary, unpacking the 1998 World Trade Center bombing, Osama bin Laden’s role, and conspiracy theories about U.S. motives and surveillance. They touch on Tom Cruise’s Scientology ties, the ethics of AI bots manipulating Reddit debates, and the power of media buzzwords to shape public perception. From creatine’s brain-boosting benefits to the dark side of food stamps and processed foods, this episode is a raw blend of personal growth, societal critique, and wild tangents. Join the JOJ crew for unfiltered insights and hit us up on X with #JOJEp55!
Timestamps & Topics Discussed:
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[00:00 - 00:54] Intro Banter: Early morning podcast vibes, Dutch Bros encounter, and Tesla flex.
-
[00:54 - 02:52] Podcast Discipline: Why consistency matters, QR code promo ideas.
-
[02:52 - 04:56] Golf & Sunburn: 18 holes, anti-sunscreen stance, skin cancer risks.
-
[04:56 - 07:21] Sunlight & Health: Testosterone boost from sun, raw milk chats, cotton underwear woes.
-
[07:21 - 09:42] Podcasts & Food: Guy Fieri’s real food ethos, Aaron Rodgers on health.
-
[09:42 - 13:25] COVID & Vaccines: Distrust in medical systems, autism concerns, hep B vaccine debate.
-
[13:25 - 16:30] Epstein & Diddy: Cash Patel’s odd claims, Hollywood trafficking links.
-
[16:30 - 19:15] Golf Course Risks: Parkinson’s linked to pesticide runoff, environmental concerns.
-
[19:15 - 23:23] Parkinson’s & Creatine: Early detection issues, creatine’s neurocognitive benefits.
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[23:23 - 27:11] Health Crisis: Obesity, inflammation, and food stamp soda bans.
-
[27:11 - 30:08] Protein Psyop: DJ Khaled’s Nesquik ads, misleading food marketing.
-
[30:08 - 32:22] Contagion Rewatch: Silent disclosure in media, COVID parallels.
-
[32:22 - 37:08] 9/11 Documentary: 1998 bombing, bin Laden’s role, Guantanamo ethics.
-
[37:08 - 42:25] 9/11 Conspiracies: Oil motives, Halliburton, insurance policy suspicions.
-
[42:25 - 46:15] Post-9/11 Security: TSA, surveillance state, bin Laden’s wealth.
-
[46:15 - 49:16] Bin Laden & CIA: Mujahideen ties, no direct CIA link.
-
[49:16 - 51:02] Tom Cruise & Scientology: Fitness, ego-breaking levels, Hollywood ties.
-
[51:02 - 53:37] AI on Reddit: Bots changing minds, ethical concerns, election risks.
-
[53:37 - 56:28] Media Buzzwords: “Ambush” headlines, Trump’s “fine people” myth.
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[56:28 - 58:14] Wrap-Up: Podcast growth, upcoming guests, name-drop hype.

Sunday May 25, 2025
Sunday May 25, 2025
Episode Summary:
Jack and Ben kick off JOJ Ep. 55 with a sweaty Saturday morning chat, diving into health, conspiracies, and culture. They explore a study linking pesticide runoff from golf courses to Parkinson’s disease, sparking a discussion on environmental health risks. The conversation shifts to the Netflix 9/11 documentary, unpacking the 1998 World Trade Center bombing, Osama bin Laden’s role, and conspiracy theories about U.S. motives and surveillance. They touch on Tom Cruise’s Scientology ties, the ethics of AI bots manipulating Reddit debates, and the power of media buzzwords to shape public perception. From creatine’s brain-boosting benefits to the dark side of food stamps and processed foods, this episode is a raw blend of personal growth, societal critique, and wild tangents. Join the JOJ crew for unfiltered insights and hit us up on X with #JOJEp55!
Jack and Ben kick off JOJ Ep. 55 with a sweaty Saturday morning chat, diving into health, conspiracies, and culture. They explore a study linking pesticide runoff from golf courses to Parkinson’s disease, sparking a discussion on environmental health risks. The conversation shifts to the Netflix 9/11 documentary, unpacking the 1998 World Trade Center bombing, Osama bin Laden’s role, and conspiracy theories about U.S. motives and surveillance. They touch on Tom Cruise’s Scientology ties, the ethics of AI bots manipulating Reddit debates, and the power of media buzzwords to shape public perception. From creatine’s brain-boosting benefits to the dark side of food stamps and processed foods, this episode is a raw blend of personal growth, societal critique, and wild tangents. Join the JOJ crew for unfiltered insights and hit us up on X with #JOJEp55!
Timestamps & Topics Discussed:
-
[00:00 - 00:54] Intro Banter: Early morning podcast vibes, Dutch Bros encounter, and Tesla flex.
-
[00:54 - 02:52] Podcast Discipline: Why consistency matters, QR code promo ideas.
-
[02:52 - 04:56] Golf & Sunburn: 18 holes, anti-sunscreen stance, skin cancer risks.
-
[04:56 - 07:21] Sunlight & Health: Testosterone boost from sun, raw milk chats, cotton underwear woes.
-
[07:21 - 09:42] Podcasts & Food: Guy Fieri’s real food ethos, Aaron Rodgers on health.
-
[09:42 - 13:25] COVID & Vaccines: Distrust in medical systems, autism concerns, hep B vaccine debate.
-
[13:25 - 16:30] Epstein & Diddy: Cash Patel’s odd claims, Hollywood trafficking links.
-
[16:30 - 19:15] Golf Course Risks: Parkinson’s linked to pesticide runoff, environmental concerns.
-
[19:15 - 23:23] Parkinson’s & Creatine: Early detection issues, creatine’s neurocognitive benefits.
-
[23:23 - 27:11] Health Crisis: Obesity, inflammation, and food stamp soda bans.
-
[27:11 - 30:08] Protein Psyop: DJ Khaled’s Nesquik ads, misleading food marketing.
-
[30:08 - 32:22] Contagion Rewatch: Silent disclosure in media, COVID parallels.
-
[32:22 - 37:08] 9/11 Documentary: 1998 bombing, bin Laden’s role, Guantanamo ethics.
-
[37:08 - 42:25] 9/11 Conspiracies: Oil motives, Halliburton, insurance policy suspicions.
-
[42:25 - 46:15] Post-9/11 Security: TSA, surveillance state, bin Laden’s wealth.
-
[46:15 - 49:16] Bin Laden & CIA: Mujahideen ties, no direct CIA link.
-
[49:16 - 51:02] Tom Cruise & Scientology: Fitness, ego-breaking levels, Hollywood ties.
-
[51:02 - 53:37] AI on Reddit: Bots changing minds, ethical concerns, election risks.
-
[53:37 - 56:28] Media Buzzwords: “Ambush” headlines, Trump’s “fine people” myth.
-
[56:28 - 58:14] Wrap-Up: Podcast growth, upcoming guests, name-drop hype.

Saturday May 17, 2025
JOJ Ep. 54 - Energy Drink Escapes, Social Media Purges, and the Dark Side of Fame
Saturday May 17, 2025
Saturday May 17, 2025
Episode Summary:
Jack and Ben fire up a sweaty Saturday morning session for JOJ Ep. 54, diving into a raw mix of health, culture, and conspiracy. The duo reflects on kicking energy drinks and diet sodas, exploring the yo-yo effect of caffeine and fake sugars. They tackle the decision to delete personal Instagram accounts to cut distractions and focus on what matters. The conversation takes a dark turn, addressing Justin Bieber’s troubling health and allegations tied to Diddy, the predatory underbelly of fame, and the chilling reality of child trafficking in the U.S. From NBA draft lottery rigging theories to small-town Oklahoma adventures and the isolating vibe of big cities, this episode is a rollercoaster of real talk, personal growth, and societal critique. Tune in for JOJ’s unfiltered take on navigating life’s temptations and truths!
Jack and Ben fire up a sweaty Saturday morning session for JOJ Ep. 54, diving into a raw mix of health, culture, and conspiracy. The duo reflects on kicking energy drinks and diet sodas, exploring the yo-yo effect of caffeine and fake sugars. They tackle the decision to delete personal Instagram accounts to cut distractions and focus on what matters. The conversation takes a dark turn, addressing Justin Bieber’s troubling health and allegations tied to Diddy, the predatory underbelly of fame, and the chilling reality of child trafficking in the U.S. From NBA draft lottery rigging theories to small-town Oklahoma adventures and the isolating vibe of big cities, this episode is a rollercoaster of real talk, personal growth, and societal critique. Tune in for JOJ’s unfiltered take on navigating life’s temptations and truths!
Timestamps & Topics Discussed:
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[00:00 - 00:51] Intro Vibes: Nicotine, coffee, and humid morning banter.
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[00:51 - 03:21] Energy Drinks: Debating Bucked Up vs. Black Rifle and caffeine reliance.
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[03:21 - 05:33] Caffeine Science: Huberman’s advice and bio-optimization’s limits.
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[05:33 - 08:30] Soda Struggles: Cutting diet sodas and fake sugar effects.
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[08:30 - 10:14] Childhood Sodas: Chili’s binges and family health lessons.
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[10:14 - 12:30] Addiction Talk: Weed, vaping, and dopamine-driven vices.
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[12:30 - 15:05] Weed vs. Alcohol: Weed’s rise as an isolating vice post-COVID.
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[15:05 - 16:31] Modern Vices: Accessibility of addictive behaviors today.
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[16:31 - 18:08] Song Shoutout: Ben’s name-drop in ID’s Godspeed album.
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[18:08 - 21:07] Oklahoma Trip: Quirky small-town gas station encounters.
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[21:07 - 23:38] Small vs. Big Towns: Community vs. isolation, per Tall City Blues.
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[23:38 - 25:24] Country Music: Morgan Wallen’s album and connection themes.
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[25:24 - 29:17] Bieber & Diddy: Bieber’s health, Diddy allegations, Yummy symbolism.
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[29:17 - 32:24] Child Trafficking: Tebow’s 110,000 IP stat and U.S. inaction.
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[32:24 - 35:19] Predator Justice: Outrage over pedophiles, Cain Velasquez case.
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[35:19 - 38:25] Instagram Purge: Ben deletes personal account to focus.
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[38:25 - 40:01] Kids on Socials: Risks of predators and bad role models.
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[40:01 - 43:21] Toxic Role Models: Cardi B and materialism’s false success.
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[43:21 - 46:40] Eminem’s Darkness: My Darling and fame’s soul-selling cost.
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[46:40 - 49:12] Child Stars: Drake Bell, Nickelodeon’s predatory underbelly.
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[49:12 - 51:28] Kanye’s Stand: Pushing against rap’s toxic norms.
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[51:28 - 53:30] Rap’s Harm: Glorifying violence, possible control scheme.
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[53:30 - 57:01] NBA Lottery: Mavericks’ Cooper Flagg pick, rigging theories.
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[57:01 - 59:33] NBA Playoffs: Denver vs. OKC, Shai vs. Jokic MVP debate.
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[59:33 - 01:00:03] Warriors Woes
Resources Mentioned:
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Check out Omid Baby's album Godspeed for Jack's name-drop on "Certified Lover". https://open.spotify.com/album/734pREZE5EAs222vM4vmld?si=HCF36CvkS_atdzsn4MZaXQ
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Listen to Flatland Cavalry’s Tall City Blues for small-town vibes.
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Morgan Wallen’s new 37-song album.
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Eminem’s My Darling for a chilling take on fame.
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Tim Tebow’s interview on the Sean Ryan podcast for child trafficking stats.
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Follow Ben’s training content at Robinson Training Co. on Instagram.

Saturday May 17, 2025
JOJ Ep. 54 - Energy Drink Escapes, Social Media Purges, and the Dark Side of Fame
Saturday May 17, 2025
Saturday May 17, 2025
Episode Summary:
Jack and Ben fire up a sweaty Saturday morning session for JOJ Ep. 54, diving into a raw mix of health, culture, and conspiracy. The duo reflects on kicking energy drinks and diet sodas, exploring the yo-yo effect of caffeine and fake sugars. They tackle the decision to delete personal Instagram accounts to cut distractions and focus on what matters. The conversation takes a dark turn, addressing Justin Bieber’s troubling health and allegations tied to Diddy, the predatory underbelly of fame, and the chilling reality of child trafficking in the U.S. From NBA draft lottery rigging theories to small-town Oklahoma adventures and the isolating vibe of big cities, this episode is a rollercoaster of real talk, personal growth, and societal critique. Tune in for JOJ’s unfiltered take on navigating life’s temptations and truths!
Jack and Ben fire up a sweaty Saturday morning session for JOJ Ep. 54, diving into a raw mix of health, culture, and conspiracy. The duo reflects on kicking energy drinks and diet sodas, exploring the yo-yo effect of caffeine and fake sugars. They tackle the decision to delete personal Instagram accounts to cut distractions and focus on what matters. The conversation takes a dark turn, addressing Justin Bieber’s troubling health and allegations tied to Diddy, the predatory underbelly of fame, and the chilling reality of child trafficking in the U.S. From NBA draft lottery rigging theories to small-town Oklahoma adventures and the isolating vibe of big cities, this episode is a rollercoaster of real talk, personal growth, and societal critique. Tune in for JOJ’s unfiltered take on navigating life’s temptations and truths!
Timestamps & Topics Discussed:
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[00:00 - 00:51] Intro & Saturday Vibes: Jack and Ben kick off with nicotine gum, coffee, and humid morning energy, joking about needing an “edge” to start the day.
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[00:51 - 03:21] Energy Drink Struggles: The hosts debate energy drinks (Bucked Up vs. Black Rifle), their performance-driven appeal, and the pitfalls of chronic caffeine use.
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[03:21 - 05:33] Caffeine & Bio-Optimization: Discussion shifts to caffeine’s effect on adenosine receptors, Huberman’s clinical advice, and the impracticality of bio-optimization for most people.
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[05:33 - 08:30] Kicking Sodas & Fake Sugars: Ben shares his journey cutting diet sodas post-bodybuilding, the insulin response to fake sugars, and his six-day energy drink hiatus.
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[08:30 - 10:14] Childhood Soda Habits: The duo recalls childhood soda binges at Chili’s and how family health patterns inspired their soda-free years.
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[10:14 - 12:30] Addiction & Nighttime Cravings: They explore addictive behaviors (weed, vaping, porn), the dopamine chase, and the dangers of nighttime boredom.
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[12:30 - 15:05] Weed vs. Alcohol Trends: Speculation on weed replacing alcohol as a less social, more isolating vice, with thoughts on post-COVID usage shifts.
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[15:05 - 16:31] Social Media & Vices: The hosts touch on the accessibility of addictive behaviors in modern life and the freedom to indulge as Americans.
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[16:31 - 18:08] Name-Dropped in a Song: Jack celebrates being name-dropped in Omid Baby’s album Godspeed, praising the rapper’s unapologetic authenticity.
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[18:08 - 21:07] Small-Town Oklahoma Adventure: Jack recounts a wild trip to Walters, Oklahoma, with quirky gas station encounters and reflections on small-town life.
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[21:07 - 23:38] Small Towns vs. Big Cities: The hosts discuss the peace of small-town community vs. the isolation of cities, inspired by Flatland Cavalry’s Tall City Blues.
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[23:38 - 25:24] Country Music & Connection: They praise country music’s storytelling, mentioning Morgan Wallen’s new album and the longing for community.
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[25:24 - 29:17] Justin Bieber & Diddy Allegations: A dark pivot to Bieber’s health decline, Diddy’s alleged sex trafficking, and the symbolism in Bieber’s Yummy video.
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[29:17 - 32:24] Child Trafficking in the U.S.: The hosts cite Tim Tebow’s stats on 110,000 IP addresses linked to child exploitation, decrying the lack of government action.
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[32:24 - 35:19] Justice for Predators: They express outrage at leniency for pedophiles, referencing Cain Velasquez’s arrest for pursuing his son’s abuser.
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[35:19 - 38:25] Deleting Instagram: Ben explains deleting his personal Instagram to reduce distractions, simplify life, and focus on real connections.
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[38:25 - 40:01] Kids & Social Media: The hosts debate whether they’d allow their future kids on social media, citing risks from predators and toxic role models.
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[40:01 - 43:21] Bad Role Models & Materialism: They critique social media’s elevation of figures like Cardi B and the fleeting allure of material wealth.
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[43:21 - 46:40] Eminem’s Deal with the Devil: Analysis of Eminem’s My Darling, exploring themes of selling one’s soul for fame and the cost of success.
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[46:40 - 49:12] Predatory Fame & Child Stars: Discussion of compromised stars like Drake Bell, Nickelodeon’s dark side, and parents’ role in exposing kids to predators.
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[49:12 - 51:28] Kanye’s Rebellion: The hosts ponder Kanye’s provocative music as a stand against industry hypocrisy and toxic rap culture.
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[51:28 - 53:30] Rap’s Negative Influence: They critique rap’s glorification of violence and dysfunction, questioning if it’s part of a larger control scheme.
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[53:30 - 57:01] NBA Draft Lottery Rigging: Theories about the Mavericks’ 1.8% chance landing Cooper Flagg, with LeBron hinting at rigged lotteries.
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[57:01 - 59:33] NBA Playoffs & MVP Debate: Predictions for Denver vs. OKC Game 7, debates on Shai vs. Jokic for MVP, and Knicks vs. Pacers hopes.
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[59:33 - 01:00:03] Warriors’ Struggles & Wrap-Up: Quick take on the Warriors’ injury woes, Jimmy Butler’s non-superstar status, and a sweaty sign-off.
Resources Mentioned:
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Check out Omid Baby's album Godspeed for Jack's name-drop on "Certified Lover". https://open.spotify.com/album/734pREZE5EAs222vM4vmld?si=HCF36CvkS_atdzsn4MZaXQ
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Listen to Flatland Cavalry’s Tall City Blues for small-town vibes.
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Morgan Wallen’s new 37-song album.
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Eminem’s My Darling for a chilling take on fame.
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Tim Tebow’s interview on the Sean Ryan podcast for child trafficking stats.
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Follow Ben’s training content at Robinson Training Co. on Instagram.

Saturday May 10, 2025
JOJ Ep. 53 - Draft Dreams, Luka’s Laziness, and Gorilla Fights with Cal Robinson
Saturday May 10, 2025
Saturday May 10, 2025
Episode Summary:
Jack and Ben welcome Cal Robinson, the youngest of the Robinson clan, to The JOJ for a high-energy episode recorded live on a sunny Saturday morning. Cal, a small-town Texas football coach, dives into the emotional rollercoaster of his friend Chase Lundt’s NFL Draft experience, from prank calls to a life-changing moment with the Buffalo Bills. The trio debates Luka Doncic’s work ethic, the ethics of NIL in college football, and the wild hypothetical of 100 men vs. one silverback gorilla. From recruiting challenges to personal injuries, junk food habits, and the pursuit of happiness vs. meaning, this episode is packed with laughs, insights, and unfiltered banter. Tune in for a dose of JOJ’s signature chaos!
Jack and Ben welcome Cal Robinson, the youngest of the Robinson clan, to The JOJ for a high-energy episode recorded live on a sunny Saturday morning. Cal, a small-town Texas football coach, dives into the emotional rollercoaster of his friend Chase Lundt’s NFL Draft experience, from prank calls to a life-changing moment with the Buffalo Bills. The trio debates Luka Doncic’s work ethic, the ethics of NIL in college football, and the wild hypothetical of 100 men vs. one silverback gorilla. From recruiting challenges to personal injuries, junk food habits, and the pursuit of happiness vs. meaning, this episode is packed with laughs, insights, and unfiltered banter. Tune in for a dose of JOJ’s signature chaos!
Timestamps & Topics Discussed:
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[00:00 - 00:32] Intro & Vibes: Jack and Ben kick off with coffee, nicotine, and sunny Saturday energy, introducing Cal Robinson, the youngest Robinson brother.
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[00:32 - 06:37] NFL Draft Drama: Cal recounts his friend Chase Sloan’s draft party, including prank calls from fake Giants and Cardinals reps, and the real call from the Buffalo Bills. The group discusses the emotional toll of draft pranks and the need for better systems.
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[06:37 - 08:25] Rookie Camp & NFL Transitions: Cal shares updates on Chase’s rookie minicamp with Buffalo and another friend’s Chiefs invite, reflecting on the surreal shift from college to NFL locker rooms.
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[08:25 - 12:32] Luka Doncic’s Work Ethic: A detour into basketball, where the hosts meet Zach, a former pro player, and discuss Luka’s lack of practice discipline, his hookah rumors, and whether he needs a LeBron-style overhaul.
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[12:32 - 15:55] NBA Draft Busts & Injuries: The conversation shifts to Markelle Fultz, Ben Simmons, and thoracic outlet syndrome, plus Damian Lillard’s risky Achilles recovery and Cal’s own hamstring injury.
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[15:55 - 18:59] Cal’s Injury Journey: Cal reflects on his major leg injury, sharing how it taught him gratitude for basic mobility and offering advice for young athletes facing setbacks.
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[18:59 - 23:36] College Football Recruiting & Transfer Portal: Cal dives into Division III recruiting challenges, the transfer portal’s dominance, and the shift away from traditional player development in college football.
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[23:36 - 31:06] NIL & College Football Legacy: The hosts debate the ethics of NIL payments, the erosion of team loyalty, and Johnny Manziel’s transformative impact on Texas A&M.
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[31:06 - 36:51] Fantasy Football & Two-Way Players: A fantasy football tangent leads to a discussion about Travis Hunter’s potential as a two-way NFL player and the challenges of playing both offense and defense.
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[36:51 - 40:01] Junk Food Culture: Jack muses on America’s processed food obsession, sparking a chat about food as fuel vs. pleasure and the physical toll of poor eating habits.
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[40:01 - 46:35] Happiness vs. Meaning: Inspired by a Chris Williamson quote, the hosts explore balancing short-term pleasure with long-term purpose, with Cal emphasizing the value of being present.
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[46:35 - 49:36] Success & Sacrifice: The group reflects on envying successful figures like Tom Brady and Dana White, acknowledging the unseen struggles behind their achievements.
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[49:36 - 53:12] Cheating in Relationships: A candid discussion about infidelity, emotional vs. physical cheating, and whether forgiveness is possible after betrayal.
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[53:12 - 59:34] Zoo Animals & Gorilla Hypotheticals: Jack shares his zoo visit, leading to a hilarious debate about 100 men vs. a silverback gorilla and the ethics of animals in captivity.
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[59:34 - 01:03:24] Spirit Animals & Tattoos: The hosts pick their spirit animals (eagle, bull, owl) and Cal explains his pelican tattoo’s good vs. evil symbolism, plus a painful tattoo experience.
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[01:03:24 - 01:08:21] Birthdays & Life Goals: Ben’s upcoming birthday sparks a reflection on aging, health, cutting energy drinks, and staying in motion for the long haul.

Saturday May 10, 2025
JOJ Ep. 53 - Draft Dreams, Luka’s Laziness, and Gorilla Fights with Cal Robinson
Saturday May 10, 2025
Saturday May 10, 2025
Episode Summary:
Jack and Ben welcome Cal Robinson, the youngest of the Robinson clan, to The JOJ for a high-energy episode recorded live on a sunny Saturday morning. Cal, a small-town Texas football coach, dives into the emotional rollercoaster of his friend Chase Lundt’s NFL Draft experience, from prank calls to a life-changing moment with the Buffalo Bills. The trio debates Luka Doncic’s work ethic, the ethics of NIL in college football, and the wild hypothetical of 100 men vs. one silverback gorilla. From recruiting challenges to personal injuries, junk food habits, and the pursuit of happiness vs. meaning, this episode is packed with laughs, insights, and unfiltered banter. Tune in for a dose of JOJ’s signature chaos!
Jack and Ben welcome Cal Robinson, the youngest of the Robinson clan, to The JOJ for a high-energy episode recorded live on a sunny Saturday morning. Cal, a small-town Texas football coach, dives into the emotional rollercoaster of his friend Chase Lundt’s NFL Draft experience, from prank calls to a life-changing moment with the Buffalo Bills. The trio debates Luka Doncic’s work ethic, the ethics of NIL in college football, and the wild hypothetical of 100 men vs. one silverback gorilla. From recruiting challenges to personal injuries, junk food habits, and the pursuit of happiness vs. meaning, this episode is packed with laughs, insights, and unfiltered banter. Tune in for a dose of JOJ’s signature chaos!
Timestamps & Topics Discussed:
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[00:00 - 00:32] Intro & Vibes: Jack and Ben kick off with coffee, nicotine, and sunny Saturday energy, introducing Cal Robinson, the youngest Robinson brother.
-
[00:32 - 06:37] NFL Draft Drama: Cal recounts his friend Chase Sloan’s draft party, including prank calls from fake Giants and Cardinals reps, and the real call from the Buffalo Bills. The group discusses the emotional toll of draft pranks and the need for better systems.
-
[06:37 - 08:25] Rookie Camp & NFL Transitions: Cal shares updates on Chase’s rookie minicamp with Buffalo and another friend’s Chiefs invite, reflecting on the surreal shift from college to NFL locker rooms.
-
[08:25 - 12:32] Luka Doncic’s Work Ethic: A detour into basketball, where the hosts meet Zach, a former pro player, and discuss Luka’s lack of practice discipline, his hookah rumors, and whether he needs a LeBron-style overhaul.
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[12:32 - 15:55] NBA Draft Busts & Injuries: The conversation shifts to Markelle Fultz, Ben Simmons, and thoracic outlet syndrome, plus Damian Lillard’s risky Achilles recovery and Cal’s own hamstring injury.
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[15:55 - 18:59] Cal’s Injury Journey: Cal reflects on his major leg injury, sharing how it taught him gratitude for basic mobility and offering advice for young athletes facing setbacks.
-
[18:59 - 23:36] College Football Recruiting & Transfer Portal: Cal dives into Division III recruiting challenges, the transfer portal’s dominance, and the shift away from traditional player development in college football.
-
[23:36 - 31:06] NIL & College Football Legacy: The hosts debate the ethics of NIL payments, the erosion of team loyalty, and Johnny Manziel’s transformative impact on Texas A&M.
-
[31:06 - 36:51] Fantasy Football & Two-Way Players: A fantasy football tangent leads to a discussion about Travis Hunter’s potential as a two-way NFL player and the challenges of playing both offense and defense.
-
[36:51 - 40:01] Junk Food Culture: Jack muses on America’s processed food obsession, sparking a chat about food as fuel vs. pleasure and the physical toll of poor eating habits.
-
[40:01 - 46:35] Happiness vs. Meaning: Inspired by a Chris Williamson quote, the hosts explore balancing short-term pleasure with long-term purpose, with Cal emphasizing the value of being present.
-
[46:35 - 49:36] Success & Sacrifice: The group reflects on envying successful figures like Tom Brady and Dana White, acknowledging the unseen struggles behind their achievements.
-
[49:36 - 53:12] Cheating in Relationships: A candid discussion about infidelity, emotional vs. physical cheating, and whether forgiveness is possible after betrayal.
-
[53:12 - 59:34] Zoo Animals & Gorilla Hypotheticals: Jack shares his zoo visit, leading to a hilarious debate about 100 men vs. a silverback gorilla and the ethics of animals in captivity.
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[59:34 - 01:03:24] Spirit Animals & Tattoos: The hosts pick their spirit animals (eagle, bull, owl) and Cal explains his pelican tattoo’s good vs. evil symbolism, plus a painful tattoo experience.
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[01:03:24 - 01:08:21] Birthdays & Life Goals: Ben’s upcoming birthday sparks a reflection on aging, health, cutting energy drinks, and staying in motion for the long haul.
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